Vanguard investors jolted with wrong prices from stock markets (2024)

As investment values slipped again Monday — with U.S. stocks down and bond yields also off on fears of a China trade war — Vanguard Group investors got an extra jolt when the Malvern-based company showed some of its popular funds falling much further.

Vanguard, which invests more than $5 trillion in clients’ money in mutual funds and exchange-traded funds, said the problem was speedily corrected. But wrong prices for popular Vanguard funds were also carried on the Associated Press data feed, where readers of The Inquirer and other news outlets were jolted anew when they checked prices Tuesday morning.

“Imagine my surprise upon seeing a listing in the paper for Vanguard Target 2025 of $14.91 — [the] price over the weekend was $19.00 — or a drop of 21.5%,” wrote reader David Webster. “Actual price change was -$0.91, or -0.47%,” he noted. He urged The Inquirer to consider adding “human oversight,” because it seems that automated price feeds can’t always be trusted.

“Some of Vanguard’s funds appeared to lose as much as half their value on Monday,” reported Barron’s, noting that Vanguard on its own website for a time reported that the Wellington stock-and-bond fund was down 32%, the Wellesley Income Fund down 56%, and the Target Retirement Fund down 46%.

“The issue was the result of delays experienced by the New York Stock Exchange, which impacted numerous pricing vendors that provide security pricing data for firms across the financial industry,” Vanguard spokeswoman Carolyn Wegemann said in an email.

She noted that the delays, widely reported, “impacted the initial Vanguard fund prices displayed on our website as well as other pricing sources. The Vanguard fund prices reflected on Vanguard.com between 6:10 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT on August 12, 2019 were not the fund final prices, but rather incomplete preliminary prices. All Vanguard fund prices were corrected on Vanguard.com by 8:45 p.m. EDT that same evening, and the website accurately reflects the final Vanguard funds as of August 12, 2019. There was no material impact to the funds.”

The Nasdaq and New York Stock Exchange markets blamed the errors on delays in the Consolidated Tape Association system that shares data among stock traders, CNBC reported — and noted problems continued late in the trading day, even after the markets said prices had been corrected.

(Added Wednesday) Vanguard Flagship (million-dollar) investor Lou Franzini, of Exton, said he was disappointed to call Vanguard at 6 p.m. “and no one answered calls all evening. At 8:45 I called again and their phone systems were not properly working, you were not able to get automated account information.”

By early Tuesday morning, “the money in my account was correct for the Wellesley Income Fund, but the Vanguard Fund page on their website was still incorrect." By contrast his accounts at Vanguard rival T. Rowe Price were properly updated.

Franzini’s suggestion: “If fund balances are incorrect notify clients with a message on the website. I had to read Bogleheads.org,” the investors’ site, not Vanguard’s own postings, “to understand the problem... Vanguard could of and should have done a better job managing their clients fears and concerns. This is not the first time this has happened. As a former banker, I often question if Vanguard is too big.”

The glitch came a day after financial news outlets reported that Vanguard told shareholders that gun manufacturer stocks and other inappropriate investments had been included in Vanguard ESG (environmental, social, governance) funds that investors were promised wouldn’t buy them.

According to a Vanguard letter to shareholders posted by New York money manager Daniel Wiener, who founded the Independent Adviser for Vanguard Investors newsletter, the ESG stocks that had to be removed included not only arms makers, but also drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline, News Corp., oil exploration supply firm Halliburton, fast-food chain Yum! Brands, and other mainstream stocks.

Vanguard blamed the erroneous holdings on the Britain-based FTSE index that the ESG is modeled on. FTSE’s “screening methodology resulted in securities being erroneously included in the benchmarks of two Vanguard ESG funds.

FTSE resolved the issue and subsequently updated the benchmarks’ constituents on August 5,” and “Vanguard took action as promptly as practicable to sell the stocks and align the funds’ holdings with the corrected index data,” then notified shareholders, Wegemann said. She noted that the stocks were “a very small percentage” of the funds and “had no material impact” on performance.

So Tuesday’s pricing problem was the market-data collectors’ fault, and the wrongful-investment problem was the index-maker’s fault, until Vanguard noticed the obvious discrepancies and let readers know — hours and weeks later, respectively.

“Are they simply automating everything?” Wiener asked. Like reader Webster, he advised that humans more aggressively check the decisions that machines make.

(Added Wednesday) CPA and financial adviser Steve Piech took a different lesson from the snafu.. “This stuff happens,” he told me in an email. Channeling the late Vanguard founder and longterm investor John C. Bogle, Piech said that “retail investors should not be checking prices, and certainly not reacting to changes, on a daily basis.”

If you’re worried about market plunges, “check with your professional.” (Though that means you still need one, cold comfort for anyone trying to rely on automated service.)

Vanguard investors jolted with wrong prices from stock markets (2024)

FAQs

Vanguard investors jolted with wrong prices from stock markets? ›

The pricing problem was the market-data collectors' fault, and the wrongful-investment problem was the index-maker's fault, but Vanguard didn't let readers know for hours and weeks later, respectively.

Why are investors pulling money from Vanguard? ›

When the market cratered, investors withdrew $16.4 billion from Vanguard's index mutual funds. What accounts for remaining index mutual fund outflows? Johnson says it could be clients pulling out money because they're retiring, or because they're negatively affected by the pandemic.

What happens if Vanguard collapses? ›

The securities that underlie the funds are held by a custodian, not by Vanguard. Vanguard is paid by the funds to provide administration and other services. If Vanguard ever did go bankrupt, the funds would not be affected and would simply hire another firm to provide these services.

Why not invest in Vanguard? ›

Vanguard is the king of low-cost investing, making it ideal for buy-and-hold investors and retirement savers. But beginner investors and active traders will find the broker falls short despite its $0 stock trading commission, due to the lack of a strong trading platform and accessible educational resources.

Why does Vanguard close funds to new investors? ›

Funds generally close for one of two reasons. The fund may be closing due to low performance or low demand. Inversely, the fund may be receiving substantial demand with excessive inflows. If a fund is only closing to new investors, it is likely the fund is seeking to minimize its inflows while still operating actively.

Is Vanguard at risk of failing? ›

First, the chances of Vanguard failing are miniscule. That said, let's talk about brokerage accounts for a minute. Brokerage accounts are not backed by the FDIC but by the Securities Investor Protection Corp (SIPC), which protects accounts up to $500,000.

Is it safe to keep all money at Vanguard? ›

Rest easy knowing the cash in your Vanguard Cash Plus bank sweep is eligible for FDIC coverage up to $1.25 million for individual accounts and $2.5 million for joint accounts. You can keep all your money in the bank sweep or diversify into 5 available Vanguard money market funds (each with a $3,000 minimum investment).

Is Vanguard going under? ›

So, forget about Vanguard going bankrupt -- it just isn't going to happen. It's also important to point out that even if VGI were to somehow go broke, VGI has no recourse to the assets of the funds. Rather, each fund's custodian holds that fund's assets.

Is Vanguard safer than Schwab? ›

The truth is that either broker is suitable for a long-term investor, depending on one's needs. Vanguard could be a better choice for passive investors who want index funds; Charles Schwab offers more features that appeal to active investors. Ultimately, the better brokerage is dependent on how you invest.

Is something wrong with Vanguard? ›

No, we are not detecting any problems with Vanguard right now. The last outage detected for Vanguard was on Tuesday, April 2, 2024 with a duration of about 49 minutes.

Is Charles Schwab or Vanguard better? ›

Overall, we found that Schwab is a great choice for self-directed investors and traders who want access to multiple platforms, plenty of tools, and full banking capabilities. Vanguard works well for buy-and-hold investors who may not be as tech-savvy and who want access to professional advice.

Who is better, Fidelity or Vanguard? ›

While Fidelity wins out overall, Vanguard is the best option for retirement savers. Its platform offers tools and education focused specifically on retirement planning.

Can you lose money investing in Vanguard? ›

All investing is subject to risk, including the possible loss of the money you invest. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

What is the 75 5 10 rule? ›

Diversified management investment companies have assets that fall within the 75-5-10 rule. A 75-5-10 diversified management investment company will have 75% of its assets in other issuers and cash, no more than 5% of assets in any one company, and no more than 10% ownership of any company's outstanding voting stock.

What's going on at Vanguard? ›

After 32 years with the firm, Vanguard announced that John Hollyer, principal and global head of Vanguard Fixed Income Group, will retire at the end of June 2021. Vanguard introduced its first actively managed bond ETF, managed by its in-house fixed income team.

Why Vanguard over Fidelity? ›

Performance and Cost. As the innovator of index funds, Vanguard offers an impressive range of index funds today with low expense ratios. Fidelity has a comparable selection of funds, but its fees generally aren't as competitive as Vanguard's. That said, Fidelity does offer some zero-cost funds for its customers.

What is the controversy with the Vanguard group? ›

In response to its China investments, the Financial Times reported that the nonprofit group Coalition for a Prosperous America criticized Vanguard for "acting as a pipeline through which US investment dollars are being funneled into Chinese military companies and corporations sanctioned over human rights abuses."

What is the problem with the Vanguard group? ›

Vanguard Group was fined and censured by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority for errors that appeared in more than eight million account statements. Finra, Wall Street's self-regulator, said Vanguard had overstated projected yield and projected annual income for nine money-market funds.

Is there a problem with Vanguard? ›

No, we are not detecting any problems with Vanguard right now. The last outage detected for Vanguard was on Tuesday, April 2, 2024 with a duration of about 49 minutes.

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