Suze Orman says the 4% retirement rule is 'very dangerous' — while its creator Bill Bengen now says it's too conservative. What's the new golden number for your golden years? (2024)

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Suze Orman says the 4% retirement rule is 'very dangerous' — while its creator Bill Bengen now says it's too conservative. What's the new golden number for your golden years? (1)

How much money should you withdraw from your retirement savings each year to live out your golden years in comfort?

It’s a question weighs heavily on the minds of many Americans who are in or nearing retirement, and the answer can change depending on who you ask.

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For years, financial planners and retirees have relied on the “4% rule” — coined in 1994 by financial adviser and author Bill Bengen — which states retirees should plan to withdraw 4% of their assets every year, increasing or decreasing that distribution annually based on inflation.

But in today’s challenging economic climate where Americans are tired of battling high inflation, interest rate hikes, market volatility and other challenges, the feasibility of the 4% rule has been called into question by some experts — including personal finance expert Suze Orman.

“It doesn't work anymore,” she told Moneywise in a May 16 interview. “I think it's very dangerous.”

Orman shared how much money she thinks you should withdraw each year in retirement — and it differs from the most recent figure given by Bengen himself.

Here’s what you need to know to figure out what withdrawal strategy works best for you.

Orman's alternative to the 4% rule

The money maven says she would “not be using the 4% rule on any level.”

Why? Because there’s no way to predict what’s going to happen once you are actually living the retired life, she explains.

Economic volatility could change the cost of living to the extent that 4% doesn’t meet your needs. There could be stock market swings that impact the value of your retirement portfolio, or further interest rate hikes that make any debt or loans that you hold more expensive.

You could face personal challenges like a health problem that requires a big pile or steady stream of cash. The uncertainties are endless, which is why Orman advises Americans to “take the least amount possible out of retirement accounts.”

Orman says the less money you withdraw each year, the “better off you are.”

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If you need a percentage target to hit, Orman suggests you only withdraw up to 3% of your nest egg each year.

At the same time, she encourages Americans to “work until at least 70 or longer, so that your assets have more of a chance to build up” and delay taking Social Security benefits until the age of 70 so that you receive the maximum monthly sum.

“Stop this: 'Oh, I'm going to retire at 60. I'm going to start claiming Social Security at 62,’” she said.

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The 4% rule creator says the opposite

Bengen based his retirement rule on several decades worth of statistics on retirement spending and stock and bond returns, which showed that retirees could reasonably expect their funds to last 30 years or longer if they withdrew about 4% from their nest eggs per year once they officially retire.

But he’s recently been compelled to revisit and update the rule given the current economic climate.

That’s because his original research only included two asset classes: Treasury bonds and large-cap stocks. When he added a third class, small-cap stocks, he said 4.5% would be a safe withdrawal rate.

But now, factoring in the impact of sky-high inflation, Bengen has argued that 4% might not cut it. In an appearance on the Bogleheads Live podcast in December 2022, Bengen revealed he’s upped his own withdrawal rate to 4.7% — quite different to Orman’s 3% target.

“My 4% rule was actually based upon a worst-case situation,” he said. “An investor who retired in October of 1968 who ran into just a terrible, perfect storm of bad stock market results and very high inflation, which forces withdrawals up every year.

“Are we in a similar period beginning with this year with very high inflation and potentially low stock market returns? Entering something even worse? I don't know, unfortunately. And we won't know for quite a few years.”

If the contrast between Bengen and Orman proves anything, it’s that your retirement withdrawal strategy is going to vary depending on your finances, assets and lifestyle.

Everyone’s situation is different. While a percentage rule might be a good starting point for planning, you may want to tweak it to suit your situation.

If you’re unsure what retirement strategy will work best, consider working with a financial adviser who can help you navigate your specific financial needs for the future.

With files from Sigrid Forberg

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Suze Orman says the 4% retirement rule is 'very dangerous' — while its creator Bill Bengen now says it's too conservative. What's the new golden number for your golden years? (2024)

FAQs

Why the 4% rule no longer works for retirees? ›

The 4% rule entails withdrawing up to 4% of your retirement in the first year, and subsequently withdrawing based on inflation. Some risks of the 4% rule include whims of the market, life expectancy, and changing tax rates. The rule may not hold up today, and other withdrawal strategies may work better for your needs.

What does Suze Orman say about taking social security at 62? ›

As we have discussed, you are eligible to start claiming your benefit when you turn 62. But the benefit you receive at 62 will be permanently lower than if you wait. Every month past age 62 you don't claim your benefit entitles you to a slightly larger payout when you do start collecting your benefit.

What is the Bengen rule? ›

Known as the 4% rule, Bengen argued that investors could safely set their annual withdrawal rate to 4% of their initial retirement pot and adjust it for inflation without running out of money over a 30-year time horizon.

Is $5 million enough to retire at 50? ›

Can you retire at 50 with $5 million? Yes, this is very doable. If you were to retire at 50, assuming a life expectancy of 90 years, you could guarantee an income of at least $10,417 a month. You could also retire at 40 with at least $8,333 a month or even 30 with at least $6,944 a month.

How many people have $1,000,000 in retirement savings? ›

However, not a huge percentage of retirees end up having that much money. In fact, statistically, around 10% of retirees have $1 million or more in savings.

What is the average 401k balance for a 65 year old? ›

$232,710

Will seniors lose Social Security? ›

Will Social Security still be around when I retire? Yes. The Social Security taxes you now pay go into the Social Security Trust Funds and are used to pay benefits to current beneficiaries. The Social Security Board of Trustees now estimates that based on current law, in 2041, the Trust Funds will be depleted.

At what age does Social Security not care how much you make? ›

How much can you earn and still get benefits? later, then your full retirement age for retirement insurance benefits is 67. If you work, and are at full retirement age or older, you may keep all of your benefits, no matter how much you earn.

What does the average 62 year old get from Social Security? ›

According to recently released data from the SSA's Office of the Actuary, just over 590,000 retired-worker beneficiaries were receiving $1,298.26 per month at age 62, as of December 2023. That compares to about 2.11 million aged 66 retired-worker beneficiaries who were taking home $1,739.92 per month.

Does the 4% rule take into account taxes? ›

It doesn't include taxes or investment fees.

The rule guides how much to withdraw from your portfolio each year and assumes that taxes or fees, if any, are an expense that you pay out of the money withdrawn.

What is Fidelity's 45% rule? ›

Fidelity's 45% rule states that you should plan to save and invest enough to replace at least 45% of your preretirement income. This rule assumes that you retire at age 67 and have no pension income, other than Social Security.

Who came up with the 4% rule for retirement? ›

William P. Bengen is a retired financial adviser who first articulated the 4% withdrawal rate ("Four percent rule") as a rule of thumb for withdrawal rates from retirement savings; it is eponymously known as the "Bengen rule".

What percentage of retirees have 5 million dollars? ›

According to EBRI estimates based on the latest Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances, 3.2% of retirees have over $1 million in their retirement accounts, while just 0.1% have $5 million or more. However, there's a surprising amount of information to unpack.

What percentage of retirees have $4 million dollars? ›

According to a 2020 working paper from the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College, the top 1% of retirees-which a retiree with $4 million in assets would fall into-can expect to pay about 22.7% in state and federal taxes.

Can I retire at 55 with 500000? ›

The short answer is yes, $500,000 is enough for many retirees. The question is how that will work out for you. With an income source like Social Security, modes spending, and a bit of good luck, this is feasible. And when two people in your household get Social Security or pension income, it's even easier.

What is the problem with the 4 percent rule? ›

The 4% Rule: Why It's Not Ideal for Early Retirement

My biggest issue is that it doesn't account for the flexibility of most early-retirees. It's for standard retirement, and “traditional” retirees in their 70s or 80s aren't likely to have as much lifestyle or spending flexibility as someone in their 30s or 40s.

Is the 4 percent rule back for retirement? ›

Retirees can spend more than 4% if they are willing to be flexible. Those able to delay retirement enough so they need only 20 years of income can use an initial spending rate of 5.4%. The standard 4% recommendation is for a portfolio with 20% to 40% in stocks and the rest in bonds and cash.

What is the flaw with the 4% rule? ›

What are some pros and cons of the 4% rule?
ProsCons
The rule is simple to followIt isn't dynamic enough to respond to lifestyle changes
You'll have predictable, steady incomeThe 4% rule doesn't respond to market conditions
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How long will money last using the 4% rule? ›

This rule is based on research finding that if you invested at least 50% of your money in stocks and the rest in bonds, you'd have a strong likelihood of being able to withdraw an inflation-adjusted 4% of your nest egg every year for 30 years (and possibly longer, depending on your investment return over that time).

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