Thinking About Investing For The Next 80 Years - SPY Or TLT (NYSEARCA:SPY) (2024)

Most investors think long term and rightly so!

The common thinking is that as long as you stick around long enough, the drive along the (investing) road will get smoother and smoother, no matter how many bumps are there, and/or how big are the holes, along the way.

Truth is, this is much more than just "common thinking". When it comes to investing in stocks, adopting a long-term investment horizon is a proven recipe for success.

Looking back at the returns of the S&P 500 (NYSEARCA:SPY) index over the past 92 years, from 1929 to 2019 (inclusive), we can see that only 25 (calendar) years, or 27% of the total, ended with negative returns for the broad market.

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Source: Charlie Bilello

Nonetheless, even with a 73% success rate (positive returns), it's clear that:

1) While a long-term investment strategy/horizon will always lead investors into stocks, it won't and it can't protect them from severe losses along the way. Not only point-to-point (during a full calendar year: 1929-32, 1937, 1939-41, 1973-4, 2000-02, 2008) but also intra-year, i.e. major corrections that aren't reflected on a point-to-point basis (e.g 1987, 1990, 1997, 1998, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2018).

2) Without accounting for the risks, average positive returns don't mean much. A positive total return might look good in absolute terms, but it might be bad in relative terms when accounting for the level of risk that was taken in order to achieve this return.

Putting it differently, even if a full calendar year ends with a positive return - it doesn't automatically mean that it was worth it when accounting for the risk.

Breaking down the above (year-by-year) data strengthens or reveals a few more very interesting observations:

1) Stocks rise most of the time. We all know that, of course, but the below chart reveals the extent of it. Investing in stocks (S&P 500 index) for at least 15-year or more is guaranteeing a positive (but, it's important to note, not necessarily good!) return.

2) Over the past 9 decades, 2 ended with annualized negative return (on an absolute basis) and 3 others "only" delivered single-digit annualized positive returns. Only 4 decades - including the one we're currently in - have delivered double-digit annualized positive returns. The common notion that the S&P 500 is returning "over 10%, on average, over the log-run" might be true, but it still very much depends on when exactly the "long-run" falls.

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Source: Charlie Bilello

If you now think to yourself "well, a positive return is still a positive return" - you're right technically, but certainly not fundamentally. Allow me to share with you an amazing, full-cycle, calculation that might be a bit unpleasant to those holding onto the above line-of-thinking.

Within the 80-year period from 1929 to 2009, the S&P 500 took three long, interesting trips to nowhere, accounting for 53 of those years (1929-1945, 1959-1982, and 1995-2009), under-performing risk-free Treasury bills, after all, was said and done.

Source: John P. Hussman

Again, in case this wasn't clear: Over no less than 8 decades, Treasury bills (NASDAQ:TLT) have outperformed the S&P 500 index in about 2/3 of the time!!!

From the first chart of this article, we already learned that during these 8 decades, only 24 (calendar) years ended with negative returns. This proves what we've just claimed: Positive return and successful investing aren't necessarily the same thing.

Recording a positive return, for itself, is meaningless when it comes to determining whether that return was high enough to compensate the investor for the risk that was involved in producing it.

Going back to an example that I keep getting back to: Entering a casino with a $100 bill and going out with $1,000,000 doesn't make this 9999% phenomenal return a success story from a risk/reward perspective.

Playing the roulette (or robbing the casino) doesn't turn gambling into a recommended/successful type of "investment". Similarly, investors must always evaluate their portfolios'/investment managers' results on a risk-adjusted basis.

With the S&P 500's forward dividend yield more or less in-line with the yield of the 30-year Treasury bonds, investors find stocks much more attractive than bonds (AGG, LQD, BND, HYG, JNK) - and rightly so.

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Nonetheless, dividend yields are only part of the equation, and there are many more risk factors that must be taken into consideration.

Here's John P. Hussman again:

From a pure, value-focused perspective, the only reason to hold equities here is because their risk-adjusted returns appear likely to exceed bond returns and Treasury bill returns at the very longest investment horizons.

Treasury bills outperformed the S&P 500 index two-thirds of the time, over the course of 80 years (!), and they can do so again.

Perhaps not over the next 80 years, but when the 30-year Treasury Note yields only 2.10%, wouldn't even 8 months or 8 years be a shocker?

After all, even the longest journey begins with a single step.

As much as this might come as a big surprise to many, anyone who has been investing in the iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF or the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (SPY) has seen almost an identical total return, thus far, this year.

Thinking About Investing For The Next 80 Years - SPY Or TLT (NYSEARCA:SPY) (5)Data by YCharts

Call me crazy, but I'm not sure that a long TLT-short SPY position won't be making money going forward. Not an investment suggestion (as of yet), rather thinking out loud...

Here's the current SPY/TLT ratio that we need to beat, before accounting for distributions that may take place along the way. Quite a challenge, I must say.

Thinking About Investing For The Next 80 Years - SPY Or TLT (NYSEARCA:SPY) (6)Data by YCharts

Let's revisit this in 8 weeks and then 8 months, shall we?

After all, even a period of 80 years starts with 8 days, 8 weeks, 8 months, etc.

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FAQs

Should I hold SPY long term? ›

Buy and hold SPY in a portfolio to potentially capture long-term growth. As the world's most liquid ETF,1 SPY can help you get in and out of the market fast, easily, and at a relatively attractive cost. With SPY, you can stay invested in the broad US equity market while you determine your next investment move.

What will the S&P 500 be in 2024? ›

Wall Street analysts' consensus estimates predict 3.6% earnings growth and 3.5% revenue growth for S&P 500 companies in the first quarter. Analysts project full-year S&P 500 earnings growth of 11.0% in 2024, but analysts are more optimistic about some market sectors than others.

Should I buy SPY or VOO? ›

Over the long run, they do compound—those fee differences—and investors have been putting a lot more money into VOO versus SPY. That is the reason why we view VOO slightly better than SPY. And that is just the basic approach, which is the lower the investor can pay, the better the investment is.

Should you invest in Qqq or SPY? ›

QQQ is better to buy for investments of a year or more. The NASDAQ-100 index dynamics are more volatile compared to the S&P 500. With a shorter investment horizon, there's a high risk of a decrease in value.

What is the best ETF for long-term growth? ›

7 Best Long-Term ETFs to Buy and Hold
ETFAssets Under ManagementExpense Ratio
Invesco QQQ Trust (QQQ)$259 billion0.20%
Vanguard High Dividend Yield ETF (VYM)$55 billion0.06%
Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (VXUS)$69 billion0.08%
Vanguard Total World Stock ETF (VT)$35 billion0.07%
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Is SPY a good long term ETF? ›

SPDR S&P 500 ETF carries a Zacks ETF Rank of 3 (Hold), which is based on expected asset class return, expense ratio, and momentum, among other factors. Thus, SPY is a sufficient option for those seeking exposure to the Style Box - Large Cap Blend area of the market.

What will the S&P be worth in 2030? ›

Stock market forecast for the next decade
YearPrice
20276200
20286725
20297300
20308900
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Which stock will boom in 2024? ›

Performance List of Multibagger Penny Stocks for 2024
NameBook Value1 Year (%)
J Taparia Projects₹ 18.56345.61%
Rasi Electrodes₹ 9.4552.90%
3P Land Holdings₹ 37.7524.68%
SAL Steel₹ 4.87110.65%
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Where will the S&P be in 2025? ›

Analysts expect S&P 500 profits to jump 8% in 2024 and 14% in 2025 after subdued growth last year. Robust global economic growth may offer equities enough support to resume a record-breaking rally, even if bets on Federal Reserve interest rate cuts this year are completely abandoned.

What ETF did Buffett recommend? ›

Buffett's highly recommended investment

Through his holding company Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffett owns two S&P 500 ETFs -- the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: VOO) and the SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (NYSEMKT: SPY).

Why choose SPY over VOO? ›

While the two ETFs follow the same strategy, they earn different ratings. VOO earns a top rating of Gold, while SPY earns the next best rating of Silver. Almahasneh says the reason is fees. VOO charges 0.03%, while SPY charges 0.09%.

What Vanguard funds does Warren Buffett recommend? ›

Vanguard S&P 500 ETF

Somewhat surprisingly, Buffett does not recommend Berkshire stock. Instead, he has consistently told investors to buy an S&P 500 index fund. "I recommend the S&P 500 index fund, and have for a long, long time to people.

What are the best ETFs for 2024? ›

Best ETFs as of April 2024
TickerFund name5-year return
SMHVanEck Semiconductor ETF35.02%
SOXXiShares Semiconductor ETF30.70%
XLKTechnology Select Sector SPDR Fund24.57%
IYWiShares U.S. Technology ETF24.09%
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Is it smart to invest in SPY? ›

The SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust is a smart investment choice for those seeking diversified exposure to the U.S. stock market. Its simplicity, liquidity, and historical performance make it a strong choice for both novice and experienced investors.

Why should investors skip QQQ? ›

The constitution of the index that QQQ tracks lacks a sensible investment rationale, says Morningstar's analyst. Invesco QQQ Trust QQQ has turned in exceptional performance over the past 15 years, but its Nasdaq-only focus arbitrarily restricts its opportunity set and breeds sector concentration.

What is the 10 year average return on the SPY? ›

The historical average yearly return of the S&P 500 is 12.68% over the last 10 years, as of the end of February 2024. This assumes dividends are reinvested. Adjusted for inflation, the 10-year average stock market return (including dividends) is 9.56%.

Is SPY a good investment for retirement? ›

SPY has a more positive skewness than QYLD. This suggests that SPY is more likely to take a few large returns and many small losses than QYLD is. SPY is overall more volatile and has enough negative return percentages to weight its mean months into negative values.

Is SPYI better than Jepi? ›

JEPI's total returns were 9.81% with price returns of 0.90% over the same period. SPYI remains a consistent outperformer within the category and has a management fee of 0.68%.

Is now a good time to invest in the S&P 500? ›

Have You Missed the Best Time to Invest? We're only a few months into 2024, but the S&P 500 (SNPINDEX: ^GSPC) has started off the year with a bang. The index is currently up by more than 8% this year alone and it's soared by a whopping 44% from its lowest point in October 2022.

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