The Fate of Elden Ring's Melina and Demon's Souls' Maiden in Black Both Hinge on the Player (2024)

By Joshua Duckworth

Parallels can be drawn between Elden Ring and any Souls game, but the role and fate of Melina and the Maiden in Black both hinge on the player.

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It’s not uncommon for players to speak with some sort of maiden to level up within a Souls game. In Bloodborne, it’s the doll; in Elden Ring, it’s Melina; and in Demon’s Souls, it’s the Maiden in Black. Despite these similar delivery methods, their character personalities are unique, as is their very existence in-universe.

WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ELDEN RING AND DEMON'S SOULSInterestingly enough, however, Elden Ring’s Melina and Demon’s Souls’ Maiden in Black have more commonalities than other maidens in Souls games. In fact, in terms of how they have this power and their relationship with the player, they are very similar.

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The Maidens of Elden Ring and Demon’s Souls

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In Demon’s Souls, the Maiden in Black doesn’t have much of a personality, nor is she a big talker. All players really know is that her power is connected to the Old One, which explains her ability to help players level up. Despite this connection, she doesn’t seem bent on allowing the Old One to awaken and, instead, she works to lull it back to sleep with the Slayer of Demons. She and The Old One slumbering appears to be what she intends for the world as the natural order of things.

Her origins are never explained in full detail, except she is also a demon—not a woman. After players defeat the False King, she will accompany players to the end of the game, putting the real King Allant out of his miserable existence and tempting to lull the Old One back to sleep. She seems to find relief in this, should players allow her to do it.

Meanwhile, Melina is very much under similar circ*mstances. Her origins are never fully explained, though she seems to come directly from the Erdtree—a place of power in the Lands Between. This is very similar to the Maiden in Black’s association with the Nexus. Just as the Maiden has a powerful connection to the Old One, it seems Melina has a powerful connection to Marika. The latter is very much implied to be her mother, and depending on how one views her actions, Marika could be considered the primary antagonist to The Lands Between.

One big difference that cannot be ignored is that The Maiden in Black’s connection to the Old One is the only real character association she has. Melina has tons more. Not only is there some consideration of her mother being Marika, but there are also those who believe she is tied directly to The Gloam-Eyed Queen and/or Ranni. While the Maiden seeks to protect the world, she is not mired in it. Melina seeks both to protect the world and to follow her mother’s wishes—attempting to discern what they truly are

In this, however, the player develops a unique relationship with both characters. And, should the player choose, they can betray Melina and the Maiden in Black. This is directly tied to the bad ending in Demon’s Souls, as well as the bad ending in Elden Ring.

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Betrayal: Elden Ring’s Melina, Demon’s Souls’ Maiden in Black

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It should be noted that betraying Melina is much more complex than betraying the Maiden in Black, likely because of how uninvolved the Maiden is in the developing story. For the latter, essentially all players have to do is beat the game, and when she is trying to lull the Old One back to sleep, they can attack her. This sees them essentially become the new King Allant and help spread the fog and power of the Old One over the lands.

There’s a trophy in Demon’s Souls for this ending, but those looking for magic should instead allow her to lull the Old back to sleep. This gives them a Soul that can unlock the Soulsucker spell from Yuria. Ultimately, anyone trying to platinum the game has to betray the Maiden.

Meanwhile, Melina seeks to aid the player become the next Elden Lord, while fulfilling her mother’s wishes. This ultimately sees her burn the Erdtree down, so players can enter and kill Radagon and The Elden Beast. That’s how it goes in most “normal” playthroughs, even if players choose Ranni’s Age of Stars ending that leaves The Lands Between without a Lord. However, they can instead choose the bad ending by becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame as marked by the Three Fingers.

There’s a way to do this after Melina sacrifices herself, but those who pursue the Three Fingers so Melina does not die will betray her trust. She will beg players not to seek out the Frenzied Flame, and she’ll leave their side if they do. Beating the game and choosing this ending will see Melina, eyes open, vowing to bring destined death to the newly-christened Lord of Frenzied Flame.

Both help players level up, and both have mysterious origins. Both of their natural endings see them leave the world behind—one in sacrificing herself to burn the Erdtree, the other in a slumber with the Old One—and players can betray them if they so choose and allow chaos to consume the world.

Elden Ring is available now for PC, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X.

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The Fate of Elden Ring's Melina and Demon's Souls' Maiden in Black Both Hinge on the Player (2024)

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The Fate of Elden Ring's Melina and Demon's Souls' Maiden in Black Both Hinge on the Player? ›

Both help players level up, and both have mysterious origins. Both of their natural endings see them leave the world behind—one in sacrificing herself to burn the Erdtree, the other in a slumber with the Old One—and players can betray them if they so choose and allow chaos to consume the world.

What happens if you accept Melina as your maiden? ›

However, you really do want to say yes, as not only is Melina how you level up - appearing at Sites of Grace after you agree to help you - but she also gives you the Spectral Steed Whistle, answering the question of how to get the Elden Ring horse, Torrent.

Are Ranni and Melina the same person? ›

No, Ranni is the child of Rennala and Radagon and Melina would the the daughter of Marika and an unknown father. To be clear we know who the children of who are for the most part, like Radagon and Rennala had 3 children Ranni/Rykard and Radahn.

What happens to the Maiden in Black? ›

After all Archdemons are defeated, the Maiden in Black takes the player to The Old One, where they fight King Allant. Afterwards, the Maiden will progress into the Old One, and lull it back into slumber unless prevented by the player.

Is there a link between Elden Ring and Dark Souls? ›

There is no official connection between Dark Souls and Elden Ring. Dark Souls I – III occupy their own universe, and so do Elden Ring, Bloodborne, and Demon's Souls. That hasn't stopped fans from formulating their own theories, and if it's your headcanon that the two are connected, that's fine.

What ending does Melina give you? ›

Elden Ring Melina ending

This is the standard Elden Ring ending, the one that Melina has been leading you to throughout the game. Once you've defeated the Elden Beast, walk over and touch Fractured Marika, choosing the option to mend the ring. The Tarnished will become Elden Lord and sit upon the throne.

What happens if Melina dies when you summon her? ›

She leaves behind a shining, golden tree when she dies in battle that replenishes your health, and the same thing happens if she dies at a Site of Grace. Melina will reappear after this point as if nothing happened and can still be summoned during the Morgott fight.

Is Ranni the tarnished wife? ›

In the Age of the Stars ending, Ranni refers to the Tarnished as her "lord" and her "dear consort", showing that she has not just acknowledged them as being Elden Lord, but also fully acknowledged their own spouse by her side.

What is on Melina's eye? ›

Throughout the game, Melina will keep one eye closed. So too does Ranni the Snow Witch, and they each have a different eye closed. Melina will open her eye and reveal a dusky and murky dark blue, which many connect to the Gloam-Eyed Queen, under certain constants in the Lord of Frenzied Flame Ending.

Is Ranni good or evil? ›

Praising her character design as "gorgeously magical", she nevertheless stated that as a character, Ranni had a clear evil streak as the catalyst for the Shattering.

What is the ending of Death and the Maiden? ›

Although Dr. Miranda denies this, Paulina is completely convinced of his guilt and prepares to execute him. The play then skips forward in time, and the audience sees Paulina and Gerardo attending a concert. It is never revealed whether Paulina ultimately killed Dr.

Does killing the Maiden in Black affect character tendency? ›

PS I'm in NG+ so I already got the trophy and soulsucker. For a direct answer, doing the "bad" ending (killing the maiden) doesn't affect your tendency at all.

Can you save Maiden in Black? ›

You can't kill her in the Nexus as she'll just revive. If you mean kill her at the very end, as in getting the "bad" ending, you get the Red Eyestone and the Beast Demon Soul which has no use but to give 200k souls. If it's your first playthrough I suggest letting her live the first time and just leaving.

Is Dark Souls 4 in the making? ›

Dark Souls 3 is the final game of the series. There's no Dark Souls 4 going to come, sadly.

Is Bloodborne linked to Dark Souls? ›

The games in the Dark Souls trilogy follow a definite timeline—convoluted though it may be—Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice seem to occupy entirely separate universes.

What happens if you beat Elden Ring without accepting Melina? ›

If you do not form an accord with Melina you cannot enter Lyndell no matter how many great runes you have.

Does Melina betray you in Elden Ring? ›

There's a way to do this after Melina sacrifices herself, but those who pursue the Three Fingers so Melina does not die will betray her trust. She will beg players not to seek out the Frenzied Flame, and she'll leave their side if they do.

Is it possible to not sacrifice Melina? ›

Melina is spared from sacrificing herself to this end, I found an alternate way of burning the tree without burning her life away. I complete Millicent's quest line, acquiring the curse ridding needle. I use the needle to rid myself of the frenzied flame curse.

Is Melina good or bad in Elden Ring? ›

Unlike many characters in Elden Ring, Melina does not serve an ulterior motive and remains loyal to the player in many instances. Unfortunately, if players follow the Elden Lord ending path, Melina is doomed to die.

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