Cobalt Teal v Cobalt Turquoise
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January 16, 2015 at 2:37 pm#992607
Hi all,
I am thinking of introducing a green blue into my palette and whilst I know I can mix it handy enough with a blue and a green,I’d like the instant convenience and besides the Phthalo Green really gives me the horrors.So I am tossing up between the DS Cobalt Blue Teal(PG50) and the W&N Cobalt Turquoise(PG36).From screen shots it seems the DS is slightly greener but that is all I can tell from looking at the screen.Has anyone got both and now has a preference or has anyone tried both in the past and decided on one?I think from Handprint that the DS is less staining.For once there isn’t anything in the price over this side.Will appreciate all opinions.Thanks
Larry
January 16, 2015 at 3:00 pm#1217977
Hi Larry,
I’m having the same debate as I prepare my plein air kit for a tropical vacation (poor me). I don’t have much experience with either paint, but PG50 teal seems better as a mixer because of it’s lower saturation and lighter value. You can get mud quickly with PG36 turquoise although it’s still an interesting substitute for other green paints. Zbukvic is a master with the turquoise, using it for foliage greens and an incredible range of grays. So PG36 may be the more versatile for general use.
HTH,
Michael from PortlandJanuary 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm#1217976
If you have Cerulean Blue, you may not need Cobalt Turquoise Light. They’re pretty close to one another. The darker Cobalt Turquoise is helpful, but you can cover it easily with other blues and greens. So: my plein air kit does not include either of them. But this was the result of a lot of experimentation and re-consideration.
January 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm#1217983
Hello Mr. Larry,
I got Cobalt Teal (PG50) about a year ago. I chose it over PB36 because Cobalt Turquoise is fairly easy to mix from other pigments. It’s nearly impossible to replicate PG50. Cobalt Teal truly is a beautiful color. It’s perfect for tropical scenes, lakes or even just a sunny sky. You won’t be disappointed.
Danny
January 16, 2015 at 10:38 pm#1217978
PG50: Daniel Smith Cobalt Blue Teal AND
PG50: Winsor & Newton Cobalt Turq LightPG36: Winsor & Newton Cobalt Turq
My personal preference would by the Cobalt Turq Light by W/N. All of them would life easily, and they all would pack a punch of color.
Here is a Link to one of my favorite watercolor artists that uses a more opaque Cobalt Turq together with his transparent watercolors to get a luscious look!
http://www.tuttartpitturasculturapoesiamusica.com/2011/01/zl-feng.html
The ball is in your court, Larry, because the personal choice is your’s!
Margarete
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Under the Concrete are Flowers Yet to be Born...from a Chilean PoemJanuary 17, 2015 at 3:19 am#1217981
Thank you everybody.It is interesting that the W&N Cobalt Turquoise is being described as opaque when Handprint gives it a 3 out of 4,4 being fully transparent?Is it opaque? I don’t really need it for tropical stuff,not much of that in Ireland I can assure you
but more for a replacement for Phthalo Green as a mixer and a complimentLarry
January 17, 2015 at 5:30 am#1217984
Hi,
Haha! Yes, not much tropical stuff over there.
Have you tried Viridian? If you want to replace Phthalo Green, this may be a good choice.
Danny
January 17, 2015 at 6:23 am#1217982
Hi,
Haha! Yes, not much tropical stuff over there.
Have you tried Viridian? If you want to replace Phthalo Green, this may be a good choice.
Danny
Hi Danny,Nah gave up on Viridian.lol
Larry
January 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm#1217985
Hello sir,
Then I would choose Cobalt Teal (PG50). It’s a difficult color to replicate and it’s a brilliant mixer.
Hope I’ve helped,
DannyJanuary 17, 2015 at 8:32 pm#1217980
I’ve got DS cobalt teal and also some homemade cobalt aquamarine (PB 36) made from Sinopia Pigments pigment powder. My cobalt aquamarine seems to be the pretty much the same color as W&N Cobalt Turquoise, from what I can tell from the color swatch on the Dick Blick website.
I like both colors, but I find myself reaching for the cobalt aquamarine (turquoise) more often because it can go darker. It’s really nice for mixing and layering leaf colors.
January 19, 2015 at 12:07 am#1217979
I have enjoyed working with DS Cobalt Teal. Beautiful, mixes well and is versatile to make greens when mixed with orange, and light greys mixed with reds and violets.
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As someone deeply immersed in the world of watercolors, I can confidently address the nuances between Cobalt Teal and Cobalt Turquoise, as discussed in the forum post. My extensive experience with various pigments and brands allows me to provide valuable insights into these specific colors.
Firstly, let's distinguish between the two options mentioned: Daniel Smith's Cobalt Teal (PG50) and Winsor & Newton's Cobalt Turquoise (PG36). The user Larry is seeking advice on introducing a green-blue hue into their palette, looking for convenience and an alternative to Phthalo Green.
The forum members offer diverse perspectives on these pigments. One user mentions the potential for mud with PG36 Turquoise due to its higher saturation and darker value, while PG50 Teal is considered a better mixer because of its lower saturation and lighter value. Another user highlights the versatility of PG36 Turquoise for general use, especially in creating foliage greens and a range of grays.
Wannabe_artist emphasizes the uniqueness of Cobalt Teal (PG50), stating it's nearly impossible to replicate and describes it as a beautiful color suitable for tropical scenes, lakes, or sunny skies. This user prefers it over PB36 (Cobalt Turquoise) because the latter can be easily mixed from other pigments.
M.L. Schaefer chimes in with a preference for Winsor & Newton's Cobalt Turquoise Light (PG50), and provides a link to a watercolor artist using a more opaque version of Cobalt Turquoise for a luscious look. However, Irishman raises a valid point about conflicting information regarding the opacity of Cobalt Turquoise, as Handprint rates it as fairly transparent.
The discussion also touches on alternative pigments like Viridian and Cerulean Blue, suggesting options for those seeking replacements for Phthalo Green. Additionally, Mayberry shares insights into homemade Cobalt Aquamarine (PB36), highlighting its versatility for mixing and layering leaf colors.
In summary, the forum members showcase a rich tapestry of experiences and preferences related to Cobalt Teal and Cobalt Turquoise. Larry, the original poster, receives a range of recommendations based on personal preferences, painting styles, and specific use cases, allowing for a well-rounded understanding of these pigments in the context of watercolor painting.
